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How A Dream-Led Trilogy Found Its Voice And Readers With Megan Mary

• Season 2 • Episode 11

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We cozy up with author Megan Mary to explore her dream-led trilogy, Witches of Maple Hollow, and how intuition, audiobooks, and creative marketing brought this fall-perfect world to life. We also dig into imposter syndrome, perfectionism, and trusting the story you’re meant to tell.


Bio: 

Megan Mary is an award-winning international bestselling metaphysical author, dreamworker and host of the Women's Dream Enlightenment podcast. She founded Inner Realms Publishing to provide book marketing services such as websites and bestseller campaigns to women authors. 

In addition to a career spanning over twenty-five years creating and marketing websites, she holds an MA in English Literature, BMsc in Metaphysical Sciences and is pursuing her PhD. She is a member of the International Association for the Study of Dreams, the Author’s Guild and the Independent Book Publishers Association. She lives in Idaho with her husband and two cats. 

Her metaphysical trilogy, Witches of Maple Hollow, blends the genres of mystery, fantasy and speculative fiction: Book 1: The Dream Haunters, Book 2: The Dream Mirrors & Book 3, The Dream Dimensions. Visit MeganMary.com.

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SPEAKER_02:

Welcome to Bookshop Chats, where we cozy up with books, creativity, and embrace the magical, messy process of writing a book. I'm Victoria Jane, a writer, developmental editor, and coach for sensitive busy writers, and I love to support you on your journey of bringing your story to life. So whether you're here for inspiration, behind the scenes peaks of what it what it means to actually write a book, or just some bookish conversations, you are definitely in the right place. And if you're looking for more personalized support, I also offer one-to-one writing support sessions to help bring your story to life because sometimes you need a little bit of support digging through the noise that is your brain because same. And if you've got a finished draft, I would love to chat to you about developmental editing. It is my favorite thing. I love supporting authors in bringing their story to life. You can find all of the details in the show notes. So grab a coffee, grab a tea, plug in your headphones, go on a little walk, and let's dive into today's episode.

SPEAKER_01:

Welcome back to Bookshop Chats. In today's episode, I am chatting with Megan Mary. Welcome back to the podcast.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you, Victoria. I'm happy to be here.

SPEAKER_02:

I am very excited. And I feel like very timely as I'm recording this in October, um, with your books being of the spooky variety. Um, and now your series is complete and it's all out in the world. So I would love for to give you the floor and have you share about these books.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, I think we should start at the beginning for those that didn't hear the last episode. So, what we're talking about today is the trilogy called Witches of Maple Hollow. And it is three books, of course: The Dream Haunters, The Dream Mirrors, and The Dream Dimensions, all of which are out now, and all of which are available in audiobook. Now, the books follow the path of Hannah Sky. She is a young woman in search of meaning, and she receives a cryptic letter in the first book from her missing and eccentric Aunt Julia. And she's been experiencing a recurring pumpkin patch dream that she doesn't know what means. And eventually she travels to this mysterious island of eternal autumn called Maple Hollow, where she discovers the mystical sky manor and her magical family legacy. So that's what happens in book one. And she has to, well, let's say that all of them take place at Mercury retrograde. Okay. And in the first one, she is haunted by shapeshifters bent on trapping people in their nightmares. And she has to get the help of wise villagers and feline companions, including a talking cat dream guide, to help her solve the riddle and unlock her powers before Halloween night when the veil between the world is thinnest. Um, book one and three take place at Halloween. Two is in September, so they're all fall-themed. And they all are metaphysical mysteries of magic. So they all feature many, many different metaphysical topics. They are mysteries, but of the cozy variety, and they mix in fantasy, speculative fiction, and women's fiction.

SPEAKER_02:

I love that. Uh I am yeah, I'm a big fan of genre blending and uh just yeah, just the the wild and and cool ways that that that can go when it comes to creating a sort of like fantasy-esque uh world.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, absolutely. And they it's magical realism because you it takes place somewhere in New England, and so it's I like to think that it's like Charmed meets Harry Potter, meets the Celestine prophecy, because she's in her 20s, it takes place in real life, but there's magic, and she's discovering her magic, and there's of course bad forces that want to contain it and possess it, and it also teaches you and educates you and enlightens you as you read. Um you follow along with her on that discovery path.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, I love that. That's such a yeah, those books, I feel like it they take you to a magical world, but then there's also this sort of like underlying theme as well, which is just so I I ultimately that is like storytelling and books in a nutshell, right? Uh and it's what kind of connects us to these stories. But it's just I feel like there's something so I don't know, there's cozy. I'm a big fan of like seasonal reading, and I think like New England feels very like autumn to me, like if that like that's the picture I see of that like principle, right? It's so it's so lovely. I'd love to hear a little bit about how you how you decided to to write this trilogy. I always find that sort of fascinating, like peeling back layers and getting to the like how does this story? I know we tapped into that a little bit in the in the first episode of like the story kind of like coming together, but as somebody who is maybe a little bit more of a pantser, um, how does that work? Like, how do you make sense of it, or do you just kind of let the story lead you?

SPEAKER_00:

I let the story lead me. I'm I'm a pantster, so I did not plot out the trilogy. I actually didn't think it was gonna be a trilogy, I thought there was just gonna be one book, and I didn't know how it was gonna end until it did. And so I really let the story lead me, and even more so, I let my dreams lead the story because my dreams are what inspired the story, and the trilogy features dreams throughout the novels, and the main character really becomes empowered by listening to her dreams, and so they have very much been the catalyst for the trilogy, as well as all of the things that I enjoy. So, write the book you'd love to read is really very much what this is because Halloween's my favorite season. It features a lot of Celtic legacy mythology in it. There's Irish spells in it, which is my heritage. It um has also Scottish aspects, um, and everything that I have been studying in my metaphysical studies. So I'm on track, on the track to get my PhD in metaphysical sciences. And as I was writing this trilogy, I was studying at the lower levels. And so everything that I'm learning, I'm putting in there, and everything that has affected me on my spiritual journey is weaved into the story.

SPEAKER_02:

I love that. I I feel like, yeah, these stories are really their own little entities. Uh and I feel like they really, yeah, it's really cool to see how uh how unique they are and kind of how each one needs you to listen in a different kind of way. Uh, and I think that like you said, the trick is learning how to listen uh to that and trust it uh as well. Well, you also like backtracking a little bit, um, you made a mention of audiobooks. So this book is out. These books are out via audiobook. I would love to hear more about this process because I I imagine it was quite a daunting one.

SPEAKER_00:

It was actually the best part, I would say. I love it. Yeah. It was the best part. It was the smoothest, easiest part too. It was because and that's mostly because of who I hired. Um, Pearl Hewitt. She is an award-winning voice actor. She's worked with all the big five publishers and she's done over 300 audiobooks. And so she has a whole team of people that help her produce it. She has her own recording booth and everything. And um, she made the process very seamless. And I, you know, I loved the when I write the books, I see them as a movie. And so in my mind, I had concepts of what these people look like, how they sounded, um, particularly the one of the main characters, Wixby, is a talking cat that has a lisp, and he is the impetus for the whole trilogy because he came to me in a dream and introduced himself, and he had a lisp. And so I told her, Can you do a lisp? Can you do a Scottish brogue? Can you do an you know, can you speak Irish? Okay, you know, you're in. So all of those things, and over overall, I mean, there's there's probably a dozen different talking animals, um, along with a um, you know, probably twice that amount of uh characters. So it's a lot of different voices that she had to do. But it was fun to send her uh audio snippets and pictures of things out in the world that I said, this is what I think Julia sounds like. I think she sounds like Morticia from the Adams family. This is what I think Wixby sounds like. He sounds like the teddy bear from the Snuggle uh commercials. And so I sent her all these different snippets and pictures, and she had an idea of where I was going with it. And then for ones I didn't have a reference, she just came up with what they would sound like. And when I first heard it, I I just cried because it was so real, it just brought it to life in a way that just reading it didn't for me. And it was, like I said, my favorite part. And after we did uh the first book, um, I had already agreed with her that I was gonna do the other two, and so um she was already on track for that, and we um recorded the other two, um, recorded all three within 365 days. So it was an amazing process, but she made it very easy.

SPEAKER_02:

I love that. I feel like that's such a yeah, it like you said, it probably comes down to the the person that you're choosing to work with, and that I think makes such a difference and it's such a really cool way of like you said, like seeing it and having it like a different sensory experience that hits when when you're listening to books. Um and it's like one step closer to that movie, right? It is. Yep, it is we're putting that out into the world. Absolutely, right? Yeah, because I why not, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, it's already, it's already done.

SPEAKER_02:

I love it, I love it. Well, I would love to talk a little bit more about uh the marketing side of things, uh, because I know that that's something that a lot of the authors that I chat with are like, oh my gosh, please, like this is just too much. I can't do it. Uh, but I would love to hear maybe if there are ways, now that you've done it, once, twice, three times, how you've kind of made it fun, made it your own, made it like less of this sort of like maybe daunting experience. Cause that's something that I'm really being mindful in my own life of like just like can I reframe this here? Like, can I like instead of like I have to or I get to, right? Like those subtle things I feel like really make a difference uh when it comes to how we just do life.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah, there's so many, oh, so many aspects to the digital, to the marketing and the digital marketing part of it. Of course, my career is in digital marketing, so that comes very naturally to me. And that wasn't it, it wasn't hard for me to make the graphics or the book trailers or the websites or any of that stuff, but talking about it was a little bit hard because you get so immersed in it and then you forget all the things it's about, and to have to condense it into a sentence is so hard. Um, so that I think was a is a still a challenge for me is communicating all of the things that are in it because it's so multi-layered. But um, one of the things that I really enjoy doing is making reels. Uh, I made a reel for every chapter for the dream mirrors, which is set in September, and I released one every day in September, and I also made reels for every chapter in the Dream Haunters, which takes place in October. There's 31 chapters, 31 days. So I do a countdown to Halloween, and every reel has a snippet with the audio from the audiobook with graphics and music. And I I love putting those together. They're they're really fun for me, and they really um express the vibe very well to other people. I do a lot of promotions with other authors this month alone. I'm probably doing eight because this is a really big month for my books. And I also take part in a lot of, of course, podcasts, being on a lot of book podcasts as well as other podcasts. And um, you know, I I take advantage of a lot of other things that are out there, like NetGally. I've done NetGalley for every one of my books, every one of my audiobooks, and uh participating in, you know, contests and uh getting getting placements, um, like in Publishers Weekly Book Life. Um, you know, I was recently featured in their indie spotlight for scary stories for October, and that's for book two. Um, so I can share share that little story. It's quite a story, and I I think that's why they chose it because it's like, whoa, that's a that's a story. Okay. Yes. But um, I do a lot am always um talking about it as much as possible because you have to. Uh, it's the only way that you're gonna get the word out there.

SPEAKER_02:

So I think that's uh like some great ideas that kind of get you off, maybe not necessarily of like still online, but like off of like social media, which is I think is always a great thing of like kind of diversifying where people can connect with you. And like you said, building that community um is like is so key. Uh because you never know where you're gonna find readers, um, or if somebody knows someone that they're like this book, they'd be obsessed with, and I need them to hear about it, right? Like all of that sort of stuff slowly adds up over time. So that's such a great reminder.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I market to metaphysical stores a lot because if you shop at a metaphysical store, you're going to like the books. And so even though that's not a bookstore, it's a adjacent market where my readers are going to be. And even a few weekends ago, I did a book signing at an animal shelter. Again, people who love cats are going to love the books. Next weekend, I'm going to be speaking at the Cat Writers Association on book marketing. And so there's a lot of opportunities to, you know, don't pigeonhole yourself when you're an author and look at think about what your books are about and all the people who all the aspects of them and where your readers might be.

SPEAKER_02:

Such a great reminder. It's like get creative and think outside the box. I think that makes such a difference. Um, and just opens up doors in in in ways that maybe you wouldn't have thought. And plus, you're not necessarily always having to create social media graphics. So that's always those. But it's still fun. I I like it. I don't, I it is uh I enjoy it. So I feel you on that. Um well, like I feel like you just kind of glossed over the publishers weekly. Um, but I obviously we need to hear the story. Um so how how did this come about?

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, so I let's see. Um I was already, I had already submitted book one for the um book life prize last year in the mystery category. And I missed the quarter finalist by one. I was number 11 and they go with the top 10. Um, but I got 9.25 out of 10 on their rating, which was amazing for a debut author. And since then, they've selected me for the book life elite collection, which is really great because it gets it out into more libraries. Um, and at that time, I it was it was in Publishers Weekly twice last October. Um, but then this year I submitted the Dream Mirrors to the same prize, and it got a good score, eight 8.5. Can't complain with that, but you know, not as high. Um, but they did a uh call for uh Indie Spotlight scary stories, and I thought, okay, well, I have a story about this book that is really gonna knock their socks off. So I submitted it and they selected me, and today it's actually on the uh homepage of booklife.com. And it the story is this so in the dream mirrors, there are two pivotal scenes. One is a fire, and the second is a supernatural attack at the mysterious sky manor, which causes all the mirrors in the bedroom hallway to shatter. In the early morning hours of mid-January of this 2025, I was working on the book, and you know, at that time, um, the planets of Mars, Venus, and Saturn were aligned at that time. And I took a picture of it in the early morning hours over our house. A few hours later, after I had gotten up, a portable battery fire, portable portable battery caught fire in our bathroom. And it not only destroyed the vanity, but it also shattered the mirrors. And it was only through my husband's quick thinking and the protection of my spirit guides and the synchronistic alignment of all the planets that the dream mirrors was even published, and that our house and our cats were saved.

SPEAKER_02:

That is wild.

SPEAKER_00:

Wild.

SPEAKER_02:

Mine is blown. Those type of moments are just like you're like, oh my gosh. Like you this is it's just there are no words, really. Right. Wow. What what an amazing turn of events, and then to have this be featured uh in Publishers Weekly, that's such a huge, huge accomplishment.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02:

I love that.

SPEAKER_00:

There's a lot of stuff like that that happened in the writing of this book. A lot of crazy synchronicities and crazy things that just showed me that it was all completely aligned. And as much as I felt like I was rushing and I had to do it, that it was all supposed to happen in this way at this time.

SPEAKER_02:

I feel like that's such a great reminder because it can feel like you are like sometimes like you're behind, like uh it can like or you're not doing it fast enough, or you're you're too late, or whatever the story is. But I think that ultimately like the story comes out when it it it needs to, like when you're ready to actually tell it.

SPEAKER_00:

And yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I think it's also when the reader is ready for the book. So there's a saying that says, you know, when the when the student is ready, the teacher appears. Also, that if you feel drawn to write a book, it's because somebody is waiting for it to be written.

SPEAKER_02:

I love that. That's such a great, that's such a great reminder. Uh and like so I especially on those days where you're like, I think this is garbage. I can't believe I was called to write this. Um, because that's that is such a part of the process, right? Like of just being, I think being a creative, sharing your work and knowing that you know, you have to find that those right people for it that are gonna connect with it and like hear it and and resonate with it and stuff. So it can feel quite daunting sometimes when you're like, boy, like, how am I the one to tell this? I don't know. Do I have what it takes?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I had to overcome, I I had to go through the dark night of the soul and overcome all of my imposter syndrome and step beyond my introvertedness and go on social media and go on camera and do all the things that I was terrified to do to get this out into the world. And and and when I first did it, it felt like I just published my journal. You know, it felt so personal that it was embarrassing almost, but it was fiction, right? But there's parts of it, of course, that are real. My I am part of all of those characters, and so it was so very personal. Um, but that's part of being an artist is bleeding on the page, or you know, whatever it is. It's it that's um without that vulnerability, people aren't gonna connect with it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, I feel like that's such a key part of again, what draws people to stories. That's it's that sort of emotion that that is what makes a reader want to keep turning the page, and that's through the vulnerability and the willingness, I think, just to just lay it all out there and be like, this is this is the story, this is how it needed to be told, and like take it or leave it, right? Like it's it's either for you or it's not, and that's like I know that I told it how it needed to be told.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and that was something I had to figure out too in the beginning. I thought, well, if I overcome all of this stuff and I write it all down, then everyone's gonna accept it because I overcame all that, right? No, it's not the case. Um, a lot of people are not going to get it and are not going to like it. And that was a tough lesson in the beginning. Um, now I understand, and it's okay because there's so many people that do, but it's the more people that are exposed to it, the more you're gonna get of the likes and the dislikes. And it's just part of that process, but it wasn't something I was prepared for in the beginning.

SPEAKER_02:

Totally. I feel like it's such a yeah, we're sensitive. Like I think so many of us as creatives are so sensitive. And then we're putting ourselves out there uh and like basically saying, please tell me how awful I am on the regular, and people will happily do that. And you're like, yeah, thanks. That's nice. Yep, absolutely. I would love to hear a little bit about how you kind of navigate imposter syndrome because, like, obviously, you said this sort of like, I think a lot of us have this belief that you know, you do it and you're like, well, it's done now. So I've I've clearly gotten over it. Um, but I think it's right. I think it's something that a lot of us like continue to to navigate. Um so like how do you learn how to, I guess, just make maybe make peace with that or work through it? Or yeah, any of the tips are always welcome.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's it's it's it's two things. Well, it's more of the two things, but uh two things come to mind. Um, one of them is comparing yourself in in daily life, whether you're an author or not, right? You're always gonna feel like you're coming up short if you if you base your worth on comparing yourself to someone else. Um, because even when I came into this, even though I had a career of 25 years before this, when I came into this, I was I was immediately surrounded by all these people who had been doing it for that whole time. And so they'd been an author for 25 years and they had a backlist of 20 books and they'd hit the bestseller list and all that. And I felt immediately very behind and very small because even though I had overcome all that and I had written three books, I wasn't, I've only been doing added a year. So um, you know, and I've heard that even the people who are that far along still have people that they admire or that if they were in a room with, they would feel like, well, I'm not this, you know, I'm not Shakespeare, I'm not Mary Shelley, right? Whatever it is. Um, so there's always gonna be that. Um, but the second thing is because this was a spiritual process for me and it required me to separate myself from from who I thought I was, when I learned through this process, I recognized my role as a conduit, and that this isn't about you, this isn't about your insecurity, this is about the messages in the book that the reader needs to hear, and that those messages are meant to come through you, and you have to be the deliverer of those messages, and that was very much how this felt to me. And so I had to step aside and do the work and be brave, basically. Um, and that's what it required of me, and so that required that I let go of worrying about the imposter stuff. And I had to call myself an author before I was one. I had to set up my social media with the handle with the word author before I a year before I ever published my book, knowing that I would. That kind of thing where you feel like an imposter calling yourself an author because you're just a writer, because you haven't published anything yet. And then there's the whole thing between uh traditionally publishing and self-publishing. Well, I decided these were Halloween books, and that I wanted them to come out uh last year at Halloween. I didn't want to wait two years, and so I didn't query, I didn't even mess with that stuff, and so I can't say what that experience would have been like. But there's people who will pusha it and say, oh, but you're not really because you didn't, you know, someone else didn't pay for it, or someone else didn't put their stamp of approval on it. Well, you know, that I I wanted to be able to create my own covers, to pick my own team, to pick my own artists and editors and narrators, and I wanted it to come out on my own timeline. So um, you know, there there's choices that you make, and um, there's always gonna be naysayers and and people that are gonna criticize you for those choices.

SPEAKER_02:

I feel like that's solid, solid advice. And I think that's such a at the end of the day, I think it really just comes down to like trusting yourself at the story. And that's something that I'm always telling like authors that I I work with of just like, should I trad publish? Should I self-publish? I'm like, well, what do you want? Like, what what do you want to do? Like it one isn't better than the other. It just I think it comes down to the story, um, and like what uh kind of like what it means. And some books work for one versus the other, and I think that's and I love that it is such uh an accessible option now, and I think just the amount of amazing books. That are getting self-published is really rocking the trad publishing um world a little bit because uh we want new stories, we want different, we want diversity, we want all of this really like things that maybe wouldn't have all otherwise gotten out into the world. So I love that.

SPEAKER_00:

And it's not to say that I wouldn't consider that down the road. I'm I'm gonna be writing a nonfiction book next. I mean, there's plenty of time and there's plenty of opportunity, but in this case, you know, I had I had a whole plan written down, and that's that was the best way to get it done.

SPEAKER_02:

I love that. I think that's yeah, that's such great, uh, a great way of looking at it. And just knowing that, I mean, it's it's it's never going to be an easy road, I don't think, um, of being a creative and an artist, um, because it requires such vulnerability. Uh, and I think just as we grow, we we learn how to, I guess maybe be okay with it. It doesn't mean it's easy, but we we learn how to kind of like move through those moments and and you know call imposter syndrome for what it is because sometimes it does come and it feels really yucky, and you're like, I need to put my book away or I'm going to delete it all, which would be bad. So I think it's having those moments are like it's no, no, we it's it's important to have that that sort of space and surrounding yourself with a community that uh supports you um is also uh I feel like makes such a difference as well.

SPEAKER_00:

It really does. Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, when I was so scared to show it to the first few people that read it, and you know, with each additional person that read it, you know, I kind of gained steam. I kind of felt better about um, you know, where I was going with it. And um, you know, there's always it's never gonna be perfect. And so there's always gonna be parts where you're gonna go, yeah, I could, I could have written that line a little bit better, you know, if if there's something that comes up in critique, um, you know, you're gonna, you're gonna say, yeah, I could have, I could have done something else with that. But it is what it is, and at least it's done. And it's never, you know, I'm I tend to be a bit of a perfectionist, and I had to give that away. I had to say, okay, I'm as imperfect as parts of this are going to be, I have to still continue forward. I had a lot of issues with printing with a lot of the books because I was doing it myself and I'd never done it before. And I had to deal with that. I had boxes full of ones with typos and with weird formatting and all kinds of stuff that happened. And, you know, it's it it is what it is, but you still did it in the end.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, I think that's such a great reminder of like no one knows what it was the vision in your head. And I think that it like you never know someone's perception of it of like how they think it's so amazing, right? Like, and that's usually what I'm I'm looking at when I'm reading. I'm like, wow, like I love this story, this character. Like, I can't believe they decided to do this. What a twist. Um, meanwhile, the author's like, I can't believe this got I published this. Right, or I wrote that. Yeah. Yeah. What does that mean, really? Like, what is that? Um, so I think it we can be our own biggest critics. I think 100% right. Yeah, it's I it's just a I don't know how to turn that off. Um, I don't know if it's part of being human or it is. Yeah. Um well, uh I feel like I had such a lovely time chatting with you. I would love for you to share how people can follow along in your like writing journey and then also get their hands on these books because obviously it's October and naturally we need some new spooky stories to read. Yes. So yes, where where can we find them?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. So of course I sell them direct on my website at Meganmary.com, M-E-G-A-N-M-A-R-Y. And on there you can find the books, the audiobooks, and merchandise. I sell dream journals that are themed for the trilogy that you so you can keep track of your dreams while you're reading them along with the character. And let's see. Um, I also have self-paced dream decoding courses on the site. And I do one-to-one sessions, dream sessions with women in the dream work that I do, which is very much discussed in all of the stories. Um, I also have my podcast, Women's Dream Enlightenment, where we talk about dreams, deep discussions, and stories of spiritual awakening. So it all goes together. And of course, the books are um distributed wide. So they're on Amazon, but they're also on Kobo and Apple and Google and libraries and indie bookstores, and you can request them anymore.

SPEAKER_02:

Amazing. I love that. Well, everything will be linked in the show notes, so it will be super easy for people to find you and your books. And thank you for chatting with me. I feel like I always learned so much. Um, and it's always cool to hear kind of the behind the scenes uh that goes into these stories.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you for having me on again. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02:

Thanks so much for listening to today's episode. I would love if you would leave a review. And also if you loved the author that we chatted with, go find them on social media and hype them up, comment on their stuff, share their work. Even if you can't buy the book, these kind of things are great ways of supporting indie authors and getting their book in front of new readers. And if you are a writer or author in need of a developmental editor, please reach out. I would love to chat. Everything is linked in the show notes, and it would be an absolute honor to be able to get eyes on your novel. So thanks again, and listen to the next episode.

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