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When Characters Surprise You: Dustin Archibald's Journey from Comic Books to Novels

• Season 1 • Episode 63

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Dustin Archibald takes us into the world of the Asha Anderson series, where a teen girl discovers she has superpowers in a world without superheroes and must learn through trial and error alongside her friends.

• Teen protagonist Asha must navigate newfound powers without mentors or guides
• Series combines superhero elements with relatable teenage struggles like bullying and family issues
• Author's background as both comic book writer and computer programmer influences the storytelling
• Characters drive the narrative, with some even surprising the author during the writing process
• Finding a "flow state" helps overcome writer's block and produces more authentic writing
• Face-to-face marketing at comic conventions proves more effective than online promotion for this genre
• Building a series creates reader loyalty and makes marketing subsequent books easier



Author Bio:
Though I mainly write fiction I have been known to dabble in computer programming (20+ years), martial arts (22+ years), business (20 years), and a whole bunch of other things. I try to keep open to learning new things and making new connections. I write books for children, teens, and adults, although my current focus is on pre/teen books especially with the Asha Anderson Series. I live in Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada with my wife, Tracy, and my son, Logan.


Book Blurb
FROM LOSS TO POWER, AFTER TRAGEDY STRIKES, ASHA AWAKENS WITH EXTRAORDINARY ABILITIES. BATTLING THE DRAGON, SHE FACES CHAOS AND DANGER, WITH HER CITY'S FATE HANGING IN THE BALANCE.

Asha's life took a dark turn on her birthday trip to Ascension's Cross. A brutal attack by the criminal syndicate known as The Dragon left her mother dead and Asha in a coma for weeks.

Now, she's a lonely outcast, living with a neglectful father in a shabby apartment, haunted by her mysterious "condition" that triggers spasms, screams, and blackouts. Starting at a new school in the same city that stole her mother's life seems like the final blow.

But when The Dragon strikes again, Asha discovers her condition grants her extraordinary abilities: super strength, speed, and endurance. Every encounter with the sinister organization pushes her to new limits, and the stakes get higher with each battle.

Asha's newfound powers may be the city's only hope against The Dragon's malevolent plans.

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Speaker 1:

Oh hey, it's Victoria from Victoria Jane Editorial and your host of Bookshop Chats. This podcast is all about authors, writing and the magic that goes into storytelling. We cover all of the things that go into writing a book, from the creative process, from taking your idea to a first draft, creating and cultivating community within the author space, marketing all of the fun things. If you are a reader, a wannabe writer or an author, you will find tips and tricks that suit whatever level you are at. So I hope that you enjoy and you are unfortunately, or fortunately going to find many more books to add to your TBR, so I will invite you to sit back and listen to the episode. Welcome back to Bookshop Chats. In today's episode, I am speaking with Dustin Archibald. Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2:

It's great to be here, thank you.

Speaker 1:

Yay, I'm so excited to hear all about your book. So you've got three out currently and one that is coming out very, very soon. So I would love for you to share all about this series because it sounds very fascinating to me.

Speaker 2:

Great. So the series is called the Asha Anderson series and it's about this teen girl who gets superpowers in a world without superheroes. So she's the first one and she basically learns how to use these supreme abilities. With the help of her two friends, mick and lily, and together the trio of them, they start progressing from just being a bunch of troublemakers to actually using her powers to help people in a concerted way. The trick is here is that because there's nobody to tell her how to do things, how to teach her, how to mentor her, she basically has to stumble through and make a lot of mistakes.

Speaker 2:

And along the way there is this organization called the Dragon and that's the name of the first book is called the Dragon and their goal is to basically dominate and destroy the city that she lives in, and so she runs across them quite often, and quite often she loses in her battles with with them just because she doesn't know what she's doing or how to to do anything really. And the whole point of this series is to see how asha grows from being just a stumbling about person to being an actual full-blown superhero. So it takes a bit of time to get through that and along the way. She deals with having a broken family, she deals with having not a lot of money, she deals with going to a new school where there's new students that she has to work with and bullying and all that stuff that comes with teenage life.

Speaker 2:

So a lot of the readers find that that's very approachable right and very engaging and something that people can really understand, and then they really really like dealing with that. The challenge that comes with that, though, is that, because this is a highly technical city, so there's lots of technology in it, I'm trying to contrast this innate ability with the ability that lots of villains have, with being able to get technology and use that to kind of dominate the city, so it's quite interesting when we get into that.

Speaker 1:

That is very fascinating. Um, so you, as you, as you mentioned when before we hit record that this is more like science fiction, fantasy, ish, um, I, just how did you decide that you wanted to explore writing that genre? Because I always find it so fascinating when authors pick something that requires a level of like, creating a new world and a new system and magic and all of these things, like there's so much that goes into it. So I would love to hear a little bit about that process, for you.

Speaker 2:

So there's two sides to that story.

Speaker 2:

First I was a comic book writer, so I've written comic books for independent publishers before and I originally conceptualized this idea as a comic book.

Speaker 2:

But then, through the process of trying to write a comic book, I decided it would be better if I tried my hand at writing a full, full-blown book. So I have that background of writing, you know, superhero fiction dealing with comic books and that. The other side is that I'm a computer programmer by trade. So since, like the late 90s, I've been programming and following technology and its advancement and how it applies, how it affects people, and that, so that by doing that I was able to merge these two aspects of my life the one, the technology side and the other one, the love of the comic book side into one novel, love of the comic book side into one novel. And so by being able to do that I can draw my technology background for all the technology that's in the, the sci-fi aspect, but as well from the writing side I draw on that characterization and those themes and all this stuff that makes a book relatable.

Speaker 2:

So I'm able to bring those two together and it is really the best of both worlds for me, because I can make up technology and it doesn't have to work all the time like it does in the real world I can just make it work.

Speaker 2:

On the character side, I love developing characters. I love delving into what makes a person think, how they react to certain situations, how they react to having lost a family member, or how they react to dealing with bullies, or how they react to when someone compliments them, right. These kinds of things really intrigued me to be able to put that onto paper and really develop characters. So I like being able to do both of those and for my books they're not all 100% about action, right.

Speaker 2:

When we think of superheroes, we think of big explosions and big fight scenes. While those are in the book, the real draw for me is the characterization that we're able to put. I'm able to put in with the characters the real personalities, how they talk and how they think, and then that leads into the action sequences and how they react in those situations. Love that.

Speaker 1:

I feel like that's such a great way of showing the readers like, basically, you show them who they are by putting them in those situations, like they're faced with it, and then they have to figure out how to deal with life and and all of those like really high stakes kind of situations. But I do really appreciate those, those character-driven stories and the ones that portray those, those relatable characters that experience things that we all probably have gone through at some point. I feel like there's something really kind of powerful about that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and it's for me, the characters always come first in writing a story, while I do have a plot about what's going to happen and little action scenes in between. There, for me, the driving factor, the driving force behind it, is the characters, how they develop through the course of the story, what they go through. That's not only just action, but just in the everyday lives that they go through and how they deal with friends. You know, making sure we can do that.

Speaker 1:

That's a great, that's a great point. Uh, when it comes to like writing, your starting writing, is that where you find that you, I guess, is that where the idea usually sparks first of with like a particular character, or do you find it's more of kind of the big picture, like overall, like plot story that first kind of pulled you in with this novel?

Speaker 2:

So originally for the first book it was very much about the character, because I want to explore this idea of having a fish out of water type person who just magically gets these powers and just has to deal with it.

Speaker 2:

Through the course of writing the book I was able to better develop the villains and the antagonists and the big overarching conflict of the book, but for me it always starts with the character, making sure that the character is relatable, trying to understand what they're going through. For one of the characters, mick, he had originally not been planned at all in the writing. It was originally supposed to be just Asha and Lily, two best friends, trying to deal with this. And as I was writing this character, mick walked over. Well, he strutted over and he plunked himself down in the cafeteria to sit right beside the two of them and he was there from that point on. And it wasn't a planned thing for me, right. I had no idea where this guy came from, but there he was and now he's a fixture of the books, right? So it does go to show you that the creativity and being able to just open yourself up to new things that could happen in the writing can lead to something really extraordinary extraordinary.

Speaker 1:

Yes, that's such a great point, I feel like oftentimes the story, you think it's going one way and then you get, like you said, you get those random surprise characters that are that are here to stay and you're like, okay, we're doing this now, so I guess I better see where that goes. And I find that really fascinating when you kind of let the story lead you, if that makes sense. Yeah, I find it's way less frustrating that way.

Speaker 2:

And it's a very enjoyable thing to discover as you write. I have done plotting for a couple novels, those ones where I want to make sure that I want to hit certain points, but in between the certain points, in between the certain beats, to be able to explore and to discover the story as you go through. That's very enjoyable. It's the reason why I write as opposed to just having a ghostwriter do it or someone else do it right, as opposed to just having a ghostwriter do it or someone else do it right To be able to discover what this story is about, what this character is about, how they interact these action sequences. How are they working right? To me, that's the best part of writing right.

Speaker 1:

I love that like getting the idea that's been like in your head on paper and having it like actually be the way that you thought it would be is such a cool thing.

Speaker 2:

And then you get to like meet your characters that you've been like arguing with one thing I find was pretty interesting is I might have an idea in my head, say this is what want to do, and I sit down and I write and it comes out completely different than what I thought it was going to be. And it's, in my opinion, better than what it was going to be from my own internal opinion because it comes from a bit more of a natural place. It's something that's inherent. Maybe comes from deep, bit more of a natural place. It's something that's inherent, maybe comes from deep in my psyche or something, but it comes out, and it comes out better than than I would have planned it. And so it's kind of like this snowball effect, where you start writing and then the words come out and then the ideas start flowing from from just that initial idea.

Speaker 1:

Yes, that's, that's. That's very, very true. I feel like when you can kind of get out of your head it, the words flow a lot easier because we can get so stuck on like finding the perfect like word or the the right sentence structure or what you know, like describing your characters in the way that we think we should. But then when you just are like let the words do their thing, like you said, it becomes so much more fun, right, like the story kind of reveals itself to you.

Speaker 2:

That's right and you know I go into a. I'll go into a flow state when.

Speaker 2:

I'm writing, where I will just sit down and I'll start writing and then I'll forget about the time, I'll forget about everything else, I'll even forget that I'm actually writing and by the time I've looked up I've got like 10 pages right and I don't know where that time went. But then I look back on it and you know the writing is quite, quite good. Being able to get to get into that flow state isn't that hard. If you do your writing like daily, you can actually get into it pretty easily and being able to get into that flow state allows you to do much better job of your writing, to be more authentic in your writing, as opposed to trying forcing yourself what words should I be using. Well, if you're in that flow stage, the words just come naturally. You don't got to worry about it. It's one of those hard tricks to understand that you get better at writing by writing. But once you start doing it, you understand it inherently that, yes, as soon as I'm writing, I get even better at writing.

Speaker 1:

That's so true. That's really like such a great point. Like the first few sentences that you get out on whatever writing session you're doing are not the best. And then it takes that time to kind of like dig and you're like, oh boy, okay. So I feel like there's something to be said about letting yourself like kind of free right and then just get like whatever on the page and then you kind of find out what actually needs to come through, and it's just part of the process. I feel like just like letting, like being really open and not getting frustrated, cause I know that it can sometimes be like, oh like, why are the words not working? Why is it not flowing? But it just sometimes takes that time to kind of like ease into it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and like I have writing schedule time, daily writing schedule time, and so say, for it's for an hour or two hours. What I do is, if I'm not doing that great, I'll just write a little bit and then I'll just accept, okay, that was just a little bit, and then the next day I'll get a little bit more, and by doing that I'm able to write more consistently. I'm able to write more thoroughly and more authentically. Even if I'm suffering from a little bit of writer's block or uncertainty, I'm able to take that little bits at a time and build into something bigger and something better.

Speaker 2:

It used to be that I would really get down on myself saying why can't I write this? This isn't going to work. But now I accept, as an experienced writer, that this is something that that I go through a little bit of phases of inconsistency or not being able to write as well as I would like to being able to go into that flow state and write a lot and write it well, and that just comes with experience, right to recognize the patterns and recognize what happens within myself when I'm writing, as opposed to putting pressure on myself.

Speaker 2:

And because people say, well, you should be writing, you know, two pages a day, well, that doesn't really work for me. What works for me is getting into that flow state and writing authentically, as opposed to writing for an amount of pages.

Speaker 1:

That's yeah, that's a great point. I feel like and really like recognizing your season of life, of where you're at, like all of those things are going to factor in to like how much you can actually put in to writing. And I feel like really just like setting realistic expectations that are actually realistic, because it can be easy to be like I want to write 2000 words a day. That's a great idea. Sometimes it might happen, but if you don't get that, then you kind of can fall into that like ugh, like what's wrong with me story which just totally zaps you of creativity anyway. So you lose no matter what. So I think that's a really great point of just finding your unique process and make it work for you.

Speaker 2:

And you're always going to have this bit where you're writing a story or writing a series and you're just not feeling it. You know, I get that where I'm just not feeling it and at that point I just put that to the side. I don't forget about it, but I put it to the side and I work on about it, but I put it to the side and I work on something else. You know, it's not going to necessarily be part of the series that I'm writing. It might be something else completely, but I work on that for a bit and then I'll come back and by doing that back and forth I can get back into writing and getting back into the series, because you know, four books is a long haul.

Speaker 2:

You know when you're, when you're writing a series, to have to make sure to manage everything that's going on there so I just sometimes I'll I'll jump into a short story and I'll do a short story that's not really related and I'll just work on that to get back that little bit of enthusiasm and joy, and then I can hop back into my series.

Speaker 1:

That's super smart. I love that idea because that's writing right Like you're still getting words on the page, you're still like practicing, you're still doing all of the things. It just might not be that one thing that is feeling a little little overwhelming or a little daunting. So obviously, now your books are out in the world, I would love to hear a little bit about how that process has been for you. I know a lot of authors I chat with are not the biggest fans of the marketing side.

Speaker 2:

But yeah, I'd love to hear how you have found it and how you've kind of made it work for you and kind of your approach to writing so for for the books, for the first book I learned a lot about marketing that I'll be applying for the next series, because when you're writing a series, that's actually better for you for marketing because people they go okay, well, it's just one-off, maybe I won't, but when you have one, two, three, four books that the readers can then jump onto, it helps you that way.

Speaker 2:

It helps you with your with the backlog and it helps you with with the readers being able to follow through on the rest of the series, or what I found works really best for me because of the the nature of my book. The sci-fi, fantasy, superhero thing is. I go to comic book conventions and I have a booth there and I sell. That's where I sell the bulk of my books at. So I get to sit there and I get to talk with potential readers, I get to invite them in to take a look at the book, to read a section or two, and then I let them know what's going on in the book with the characters, what the goals of the character are, what the challenges are, and by doing that, by having that face-to-face interaction, people are more likely to pick up the book.

Speaker 2:

There are some ways that you can do marketing online.

Speaker 2:

If that's not your forte, you know, not being face-to-face, there are ways that you can take courses for learning about how to do book marketing that are really helpful.

Speaker 2:

But for the genre I'm writing in, those are a bit challenging because it's really not what people are looking for when they're, when they're going through and searching for books most of people are looking for, like a romance book or a fantasy book uh, sci-fi, fantasy. The superhero thing is it's better served by a big screen, uh movie. Most people want to go see a big screen movie. Superhero thing is it's better served by a big screen movie. Most people want to go see a big screen movie. Superhero thing they're they're not really drawn to this, this type of genre, until you talk to them about it, until you know I can explain with, with what's going on, I can generate my enthusiasm and then they can really see what's what's happening with the book and then they can pick it up by being able to do that. But if you're in a different genre book, like I said, like fantasy or romance then you have a much better avenue for doing online marketing because that's where a lot of people are looking for those books now.

Speaker 2:

So for my advice, for anybody who's so you know for my advice for anybody who's looking to get into this, into like the marketing side of things, is to really know your genre, know what's really going to work in your genre for marketing and, just you know, read up on that.

Speaker 2:

Ask some people like me what works best for them as well as other authors, what works best for them as as well as other authors, or what works best for them as well. By doing that, you're much more able to have, I would say, a better success rate and you're going to feel better about what you're doing, because then you'll know that people are reading your book For the first time. For the first book that I wrote in the series, it was a lot of me having to just well figure things out. Like Asha is right, I just had to figure things out on my own. But once I got more into the book community, I got more into the marketing community. It was easier for me to understand where my readers were and then to be able to go to them and offer them the series that's so smart, so smart to get out in.

Speaker 1:

I feel like, too, there's something that shifts in your brain. I think when you're interacting with people in person of like 10, maybe 10 people buy your book in person it just it feels like it's a bigger deal than if it's online. Like it just it, you're building that community, that connection, and I think that that can really um, that can help you pay that that long game, especially when you are like building that series, um, and you want people to like keep coming back and reading the the next books in the series.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I get when I'm at the conventions I will get people. They'll come up and say, oh, that third book's out. No, I've been waiting for it. And I'm like, okay, that's great, who are you? And they're like, oh, I just you know, because I haven't met them online or anything like that. They've just picked up the books and they really like them, and so I'm able to talk to them and I say, oh, yeah, it's here, you know, or I'll sign you a copy of it. I'm also able to chat with people about the characters in the book, which is my favorite part of talking about the book.

Speaker 2:

You know they're able to say, oh yeah, I really like this character, or you know, this person wish that they would, uh, trip into a wall, or something like that right to make sure that to, to be able to, to talk to people and and get their, get their, really their feedback, but not only the feedback, but how they feel about this, how they interact with their characters, what they think of the characters, because it's a, it makes me feel good to know that they're they're reading, but it also helps me develop the characters more. Right To say oh yeah, I understand what this person is looking at. I'm going to really lean into that.

Speaker 1:

That's a really great point of yeah, just getting that feedback from the actual person because, like, how we hope that a character will be perceived isn't always how it is by the reader, right. So I think that that's a really great to get like that on demand feedback and I would assume it helps you grow as a writer for the future books or just for creating those characters that really connect with readers.

Speaker 2:

And you can. You know you can look on Amazon or Goodreads for reviews and once you have a bunch of good reviews, another good review doesn't really bump you up a bit right Emotionally, it doesn't really do that much for you, whereas a negative view will really bring you down. But if we have that face-to-face reaction, we have the face-to-face interaction with with a reader, then that to me it really does make me feel better right, and it makes me feel like, yeah, this is something important, because it's it's actually it's actually making someone feel something right. They're reacting to it and I can this person. I can see the look on their face, I can see the enthusiasm, I can see what they're really excited about and to me that's really important.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I feel like that's the ultimate goal when you get your book in the hands of readers is to have them feel something, whether, hopefully, it's love, they really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1:

But I feel like even the you know when they they they hate it. They still felt something really passionate about it. So at least you kind of did something there. But, yeah, I think that there is something really powerful about the like building that network and community with people, working community with people, even if maybe they're not your reader, maybe they know people who might benefit from that, or maybe they'll decide to come back later and read that genre or whatever right Like, you never know, and I think that that's such a great yeah, just a great way to build connection and community, which is huge and one of the important things about writing multiple books is you're able to to build up loyal readers, right readers who will, when you see when you have a new book out, they'll, they'll take a chance on you, um, as opposed to just being having a one, only having your first novel and you're kind of floundering around saying what am I supposed to be doing?

Speaker 2:

Multiple books really help you engage with those readers and help you build that loyalty so that when you put out your next book it's not so much of a struggle to get it out and get the word out, word out. It's one of those things that the more you do, the more you get and unfortunately, for writers that means a lot of writing.

Speaker 1:

It's so true, right, it really is. You kind of have to shift your expectations a little bit and be like I'm playing the long game here. So it takes some time to kind of like establish yourself, which can feel a little frustrating, but also it's still pretty amazing to have at least one book out in the world. But yeah, I definitely I feel like it's often you don't, you don't necessarily hear about like an author until they've got a few I can't remember what the stat is, but it's. I feel like it's a certain number of books and then it's, it's you're more likely to hear about them more often, cause there's just more, there's more books for for people to tell you about, basically.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, I'm, I'm, you know, finding that being able to to put a book out and have multiple books out, people are better able to discover you, right? And it's one of those things. I think it was said like 10 books or 20 books, I don't remember the number, but it was something that's quite large. When you're thinking about writing, when you're dealing with a minimum 80,000 words, when you're dealing with 10 books, that's nearly a million words that you're trying to get out. That's still quite an accomplishment. And you know, when you're even with one book, if you're dealing with 80,000 words, say that is an extraordinary accomplishment.

Speaker 2:

And you know most writers be like oh, I'm not selling that much, oh, I'm not selling that much, I'm not doing that much. Well, you've written, you've written a book, you've written 80,000 words. That's a lot of accomplishment there to get done by itself. Now you're gonna get people to read it. That's a that's another thing that you have to, that you have to do as another accomplishment. So doing this kind of thing is not that easy. Most people can't even imagine writing a chapter, let alone writing a full book, right? So I encourage writers not to get down on themselves if they're not selling, you know, tens of thousands of copies of their book. Right, you still did something. That's amazing. Now it just takes a bit more time to get your readers and your loyal audience built up.

Speaker 1:

Yes, that's so true. It really is Celebrating all the points of the journey. I think is a really important thing, because I can't remember again. There's a stat of how many people start writing a book, how many people finish it and how many people publish it, and the number gets smaller and smaller and smaller of that because it is, it is a lot, it's.

Speaker 1:

It's hard to get that out into the world. It's hard to just feel like you can actually share it with people, cause that's a really scary part of writing, right? People actually read your book and they tell you that they love it or that they hate it, and they're like okay cool, I put my heart into it, but it's fine. And they're like, okay, cool, I put my heart into it, but it's fine.

Speaker 2:

The real ones that you have to be concerned about are ones that are like it was okay, Like why was it okay, You're supposed to love it. Give me more. I understand if you hate it. Whatever, that's fine, I'll just, you know, push you to the side. But why didn't you love this? You're supposed to love this book, and well, sometimes those, you know, three-star reviews are the most emotionally damaging, I guess.

Speaker 1:

I can 100% see that.

Speaker 2:

Well, I would love for you to share where people can connect with you and find your book, because this sounds like something that they're definitely going to need to get in their hands. So everything that I write is on my website, dcarchibaldcom, and I have a link to where we can buy all my books. For the first three books and then the fourth one that's coming out, I have it available on Amazon and a bunch of other retailers, but, to make sure that you get the latest releases, it's all on the website, so make sure you know where you get from there. I also have a newsletter that I put out irregularly. I know I should be doing it more, but, uh, it's just another thing on the list, but my newsletter does have all the I guess the pre-release information. You know. You get to see more of the uh, more of the books. You get to see more of what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2:

There's a lot of free books that I link to in that newsletter so it really is a good resource, not only for my own books, but for a lot of other stuff too. So, again, the best place to reach me is at dcrgevalcom amazing, amazing.

Speaker 1:

Well, everything will be linked to the show notes so it'll be super easy for people to click and find you. But but it was lovely chatting with you. I learned a lot and I always yeah, I always find it so fascinating hearing about other authors and their processes and just how they actually got their book out in the world.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's one of I like talking about this kind of thing because if it can help somebody learn about how to do something without the amount of struggles that I've gone through, that's always the great thing to do as well. It helps me kind of reflect on the journey I've been through and to kind of appreciate where I am now by being able to talk about the process and how everything has been working.

Speaker 1:

Thanks so much for listening to today's episode. I would love if you would leave a review and also if you loved the author that we chatted with, go find them on social media and hype them up, comment on their stuff, share their work, even if you can't buy the book, these kind of things are great ways of supporting indie authors and getting their book in front of new readers. And if you are a writer or author in need of a developmental editor, please reach out. I would love to chat. Everything is linked in the show notes and it would be an absolute honor to be able to get eyes on your novel. So thanks again and listen to the next episode.

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