Book Shop Chats:
Welcome to Book Shop Chats, your go to podcast for indie authors and learning insight into what it takes to write a book (HINT: You can do it too!!)
Join authors as they share their personal journeys, successes, and challenges, providing you with unique insights into the writing process. The discussions explore into various aspects of storytelling, from character development to plot structuring, ensuring you have a well-rounded understanding of the craft.
Whether you're just starting out or have published multiple works, this podcast is your companion in the pursuit of storytelling excellence. Tune in, gather inspiration, and let your passion for writing flourish alongside a community that celebrates the art of the written word.
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The Transformative Power of Storytelling: A Journey with Author Amy Vogel
What if storytelling could be your path to healing and transformation? Amy's candid revelations about how writing has been her therapeutic outlet highlight the profound cathartic power of storytelling, and she offers insights into her prolific year, which also saw the release of "The Assist," a spicy soccer romance, and a novella within the Teleosis universe.
We also discuss the unique perspectives that neurodivergent individuals bring to the storytelling process, enriching it with their distinct voices. As indie authors often bear the marketing mantle alone, Amy shares practical advice on building meaningful connections over mere sales and finding authenticity in social media outreach.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Amy Vogel is an author and women's book coach. Her fiction books are themed for feminine empowerment, offering readers a fresh perspective on what it means to be a woman. Through her nonfiction works, she provides practical tools for healing and finding hope. As an entrepreneur and coach, Amy is dedicated to empowering women to share their stories, helping them cast a vision for a better world by turning their publishing dreams into reality.
Teleosis - Teleosis is a sweeping tale of magic, passion, and second chances in a unique urban fantasy setting. When Inira’s destiny as High Priestess crumbles, she must rise from the wreckage to face ancient enemies, betrayal, and her own darkness. Packed with action, intrigue, and hope, Teleosis will leave you inspired and believing in transformation.
The Assist - The Assist is a contemporary later in life sports romance full of love, healing, and the courage to seize happiness when it unexpectedly comes knocking. Find your own vision for a happily ever after as you witness Carrie and Conner find theirs.
Feminine Rising - Feminine Rising is a historical fantasy novella blending mysticism, love, and epic resistance. Follow Adia, a First Century B.C. heroine, as she defies oppressors, saves her people, and claims her destiny through divine power, love, and resilience. Spicy, empowering, unforgettable.
Come to Me – In a world of chaos and pain, Come to Me offers solace and healing through daily reflections and simple spiritual practices. This devotional guides you to peace, renewed vision, and spiritual growth. Begin your journey to wholeness—find hope, clarity, and purpose every day.
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Oh hey, it's Victoria from Victoria Jane Editorial and your host of Bookshop Chats. This podcast is all about authors, writing and the magic that goes into storytelling. We cover all of the things that go into writing a book, from the creative process, from taking your idea to a first draft, creating and cultivating community within the author space, marketing all of the fun things. If you are a reader, a wannabe writer or an author, you will find tips and tricks that suit whatever level you are at. So I hope that you enjoy and you are unfortunately, or fortunately going to find many more books to add to your TBR, so I will invite you to sit back and listen to the episode. Welcome back to Bookshop Chats. In today's episode, I am chatting with Amy Vogel. Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much and I apologize if you hear growling in the background. That is not my book boyfriend, that is my daughter.
Speaker 1:My book boyfriend is texting me, unfortunately. Yes, you know I love that. Um well, I feel like this episode is going to have so much amazing insight and info. Uh, but first, I would love for you to share about your books, because you have five out in the world and I would love to hear all about whichever one you know, whichever one is demanding the attention the most at this moment.
Speaker 2:Right, right, well, yeah, so my I've, my first book was traditionally published, and at that time I was in ministry, I was in a church and so I was writing a lot of Christian devotionals and so I got one of those books published through. It just kind of happened to fall into my lap and then my church ended, I left ministry, left the church completely, wrote a book, another devotional, to basically heal from all of that mess. And then the book I'll talk about. And I've written two books since then, but the book I'll talk about specifically because it's January when we're talking, and it's the one year anniversary of my first fiction book, teleosis. And so I wrote one devotional to kind of help me process the church stuff, the church hurt. And then I wrote this fiction book, teleosis, to even attempt to answer the question of is there a faith in something worth having? And at the end of well, not at the end, but throughout the process of writing this book the answer was yes, but it looked a whole lot different than what I started with, and so it's been a really exciting journey.
Speaker 2:The book itself it's named Teleosis, a novel of trauma and transformation, and so it's got alternative religious themes in there and not in terms of like triggering kind of like American church. It's got different, much more ancient faith approach to it. It's not patriarchal faith at all approach to it, it's not patriarchal faith at all. And it is definitely about witnessing the main character.
Speaker 2:Her name is Anira, she's 41 years old and she was the last heir to teleosis and it literally got blown up Like this ancient civilization that had existed for thousands and thousands of years. Almost on her watch, it got blown out of the water Like it didn't exist anymore, and so she moved to the States, rebuilt her life. 20 years later she gets a chance to rebuild the civilization and the story takes off from there. So her watching her deal with her trauma from all of that, watching her deal with her addiction issues, watching, you know, just witnessing the journey she goes on to find herself as this, this air, this priestess, and what her power is in, all of that is. It was a journey that I went on to as I wrote it, so it gave me a lot of freedom, it gave me a lot of insight into what I was struggling with and, man, I cry. Every time I read it I cry. I texted my best friend. She was one of my alpha readers.
Speaker 1:And I was like I'm crying again.
Speaker 2:I'm writing the climax, I'm crying again. So, yes, I cry and I cry at the you know the, the climax of all of my books. I'm like, because it's just, you know, these, these, these are like people. To me, these are like families.
Speaker 1:A hundred percent, and I feel like if you're crying while you're writing, you're doing something right.
Speaker 2:You're processing, like there's something in you that needs to come out and needs to be dealt with. So, yeah, it's, it's a. I tell all my clients too, like writing a book is therapy. Oh, it is you're going to be a different person on the other side of it, so just know that going in, such a huge and so true.
Speaker 1:I had no idea, walking into the journey of writing, of like how much healing was involved in the whole process and it's really. It's such a.
Speaker 2:It's a wild journey but it's so worth it Absolutely Well, I published Teleosis in January 2024, and then published two more books in last year, in 2024. The next one was a book I was writing at the same time as Teleosis. There's a whole nother backstory behind that, but it's called the Assist and it's a spicy soccer romance, so different genre completely. And then I got the opportunity to write a little novella that is in the Teleosis world. That basically shows you what it would have been like had Anira been a high priestess, what her life might have looked like. So this was an ancient high priestess, um, in the first century. And so you get to witness more of the teleosis world.
Speaker 1:So I love yeah 2024 was busy, but yeah, no kidding, like props to you, that is. That is amazing to get that many books out into the world, and here I am working on my one. But like it's just, that's how it has to be right, like your process is yours, right, so exactly.
Speaker 2:I didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't anticipate any of it at all, so you just have to go with what happens 100, that's so true, right, like sometimes the story is just like we're it's happening and you're like, okay, I guess I'm, I'm writing it all now, cool. So before I hit record, we were also talking a little bit about how you like to genre hop and how that I find really fascinating. Like having ADHD is sticking in one genre, like I'll do it for a point, and then I'm like, okay, I'm bored now.
Speaker 2:Like we gotta, like we gotta try something, the story we need to ship.
Speaker 1:So how has that been for you? And I feel like that can sometimes be. I guess we can sometimes be told that you can't do that or you shouldn't do that, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Right, I was actually this week. Yeah, I was told that I should probably stop doing that and I was like I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed. So thanks, but no thanks. And I like to call myself neuro spicy adjacent. I'm not diagnosed and I don't think I actually am, but my partner is ADHD, my best friend is ADHD, my two of my children are ADHD, so I'm like I'm right there with y'all and I've learned to function, interestingly enough, as a Gen X woman. That's kind of how I learned to function in the world. You just have to like, and especially with. I have three daughters, so you just like you're all over the place all the time.
Speaker 2:So you know, it's just one of those things where I have given myself permission to not limit whatever the creativity is and I find, however it's flowing, whatever direction it is flowing in, I then try to like, harness it and keep it on track. But, um, I don't seem to be able to write just one book at a time. I'm writing. Even now I'm writing two books my sixth and my seventh. I have eight and nine in the back of my mind. Get to them eventually. But yeah, I'm writing a historical romantic fiction book retelling of Queen Jezebel in the Old Testament, and I'm writing a middle school grade graphic novel for my youngest daughter, because I have any experience in any of that other than raising children. So it's just great, it's crazy. So, yeah, when it hit, when the inspiration hits, you got to go. You just got to go and finish it, and that that is, that was always my advice. My first book was published, I truly believe, because I finished writing it, I finished the manuscript, yeah, so yeah, just that's huge.
Speaker 1:Gotta keep going. You have to keep going. I think there's some sort of stats I heard it somewhere of like the percentage of people that like want to write a book, versus who start, versus who finish, versus who publish, and then I just keep shrinking as we get closer to publishing, um, because, yeah, you can just get stuck in that like, oh, it's not good, or I'm, I'm not gonna like it's never gonna go, whatever the story is, uh.
Speaker 1:But I feel like now more than ever, there's like so many opportunities for authors to get their their novels out in the hands of readers and like a decent amount of readers yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And um, I was gonna look up, I saw some stats on social media. I don't know if I posted it on my stories or not, I'm just gonna look at it real quick. Um yeah, book stats 11 000 books are published day. 50% are self-published. 30% of all books public of all published books are romance, the next highest being fantasy at 20%, and 50% of all ebook revenue is in the romance genre alone. So Wild yeah, that's big numbers, that is big numbers.
Speaker 2:Yep, 67% of self-published authors are female and the majority of those are romance writers. So if you don't believe there's any money in romance, you need to really check yourself at the door, because there's a lot of women doing it.
Speaker 1:I feel like there's just something about it. That's currently what I'm writing and I just love it. It's fun. It just that shows you that there is good in the world.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, yeah, and it's a chance to really embody a vision of what you want. That was my. That was the whole goal of me writing my romance. It started off as like a fun project, and I didn't even really. I started writing it as a Kindle Bella story because Kindle Bella was hot. I don't even know if it exists anymore I know they're doing away with it but it just was like, okay, I was reading a lot of fantasy, romancy, romance. Let me try my hand at it, and it ended up being this whole manifestation of the relationship I'm in now, and so there is something about wanting to tell your own love story and how you want that love story to look. That's truly, really powerful. It's it.
Speaker 1:There's a, there's a spiritual component to it, for sure, I, yeah, I definitely feel that I love, I love that and I think just the fact that there's so many like unique spins that people will put on on their novels from their perspective and their lived experience, and having characters that are like relatable or like with mental health, or all of these things that just typically wouldn't have been in novels, like probably 10 years ago, five years ago, like it wasn't really as common. So I feel like it's really like getting your story out in the world is going to connect with somebody out there, absolutely, absolutely, to connect with somebody out there, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And I I kind of stake my, my whole brand on the idea that women's stories are the most important thing right now, that if we want to have a world that looks different, we've got to tell these stories.
Speaker 2:And you know, I give props to the internet because before the way that you heard about a Daniel Steele novel is, you showed up at the library or you showed up at your local bookstore and that was what was curated for you. Traditionally published, traditional publishing houses are what curated what the market wanted. Now, with the internet and with the ability to reach people globally, now the tables are reversed. It is the readers that are determining what is popular and they're the ones that are finding the books. And because so many of them are female authors, I think that just makes all the difference, because we haven't been given a voice for a really, really, really long time. We haven't been given a voice for a really, really really long time, and you know, six, seven, 8,000 years ago. And now our time has come back around again. And if we're going to have to do it virally and we're going to have to do it grassroots, well, it's happening Right.
Speaker 1:It is totally. It's happening. Right, it is totally and I think I know I don't know all of the drama, but I feel like there was definitely some drama with like romance books being not real. But I don't know, I don't even know. Like I kind of like heard about it but didn't really like that was it and I didn't really dive any further into it. So I think there's something to be said about like as humans, we thrive in, in community and relationships, and I think, like obviously, romance is a great way to capture that and the way it does it can show you, yeah, what like a relationship that is supportive can look like and how you can put that into into paper and and people love it, because I know I do yeah absolutely Me too.
Speaker 2:And and because there are, you know, there's not just one kind of romance anymore, because there's not just one kind of woman. We're not just. You know, I'm I'll be 50 in April, and so do I want to read a romance about a college freshman? No, my daughter might, but I don't. My oldest daughter is a junior in college, so maybe she would like it, but for me it's got to be something that is relatable and something that not only takes me out of my present circumstances but gives me a hope and a vision for okay, okay, maybe you know, yeah, this isn't reality, but maybe my reality could look just a little bit better because of the story that I'm reading, the story that I'm telling. And you know, I'm just super, super passionate about making sure women get to tell their stories. That's how we communicated all of human intelligence for thousands of years, so let's get back to that.
Speaker 1:Yes, stories are like just that's what keeps us, it's what keeps us connected, related, like we can see ourselves and others, and I think it's such a great and powerful thing and I am so happy that it's become such an accessible thing for people now to create these, these stories and get them out into the world, because it really is changing things. I think, um, and it's it's amazing to see like young people reading, like all of these great things that are coming from the I feel like the self-publishing and indie author community in general of like creating this, this massive shift, which will only impact, like all aspects of that, I feel like, in the coming years yeah, and I think it's important too that what stories do in our brains is well, regardless of whether you're neurotypical or you're neuro spicy, you're going to, your brain is wired to remember a story because it makes different, deeper connections.
Speaker 2:My like I mentioned, my best friend is my not only my alpha reader. She's ADHD and she's dyslexic and she's my alpha reader, she. She can read writing that she enjoys, that keeps her attention, that keeps moving. So maybe I just write for ADHD people, I don't know. But I think it's just one of those things where, if you're able to and this is what I love about NeuroSpicy people on the, you know, whatever spectrum they're on is that they're're your imagination, your way of looking at the world is so vastly different than the typical and that's so powerful, and so, if you can imagine it, that's where your brain is like, you know off in its own little world, and you're going to remember it. You're going to remember it. I think that's why you know agatar was such a big hit is because You're going to remember it.
Speaker 2:I think that's why you know Agatha was such a big hit is because Sarah J Moss is such a vivid writer, the way that she describes things. You can picture it. You know that. It's the same thing with what's our Leah Bardugo, with the Netflix series Shadow and Bone. It was just so well told that it's easy to port those onto the screen. It's easy to picture those, but there's just no substitute for good writing. I love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely A hundred percent agree with that. So we talked a little bit about, obviously, your books, but you have a whole other side to yourself with helping authors, along with, like, the writing process and also the marketing side, which I feel like is the bane of so many indie authors existence of like oh my gosh, now I have to get people to like, tell them to read my book. This is terrifying.
Speaker 2:You just don't logically buy it on.
Speaker 1:Amazon. No, no, no, no. So, please, I would love for you to impart your wisdom to help make this process a little less scary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, you know I always tell everybody this, and this is kind of the crux of my coaching process is that you have to. You have to have a bigger set of goals, a bigger vision than just book sales If you are so hung up and I speak this from experience teleosis was that transformative moment for me where my mindset shifted. And I was able because I contacted this publisher who was doing a podcast about my book and we did this interview and she was like have you ever thought about book coaching? Do you want to be hired? It completely changed everything for me and so I mean I will share it and I spent over $20,000 on marketing teleosis and I've made 5000 in book sales alone. That's not great. That's going to take me, you know, a full decade to earn that back.
Speaker 2:But because my mindset was changed and I saw my ROI coming from the coaching, it enabled me to keep writing, and so I'll back it up and just say you know, every client I work with, the goal has to be more than book sales. Every talk I give. Your identity cannot be tied to page reads, number of books ordered, number of books sold at events I mean there's only been two events in the last year that I haven't cried afterwards because I had that mind shift, mindset shift that's a hard phrase to say mindset shift and it and it became much more about connection. It became much more about finding my readers. What can this book do for you beyond just selling the book? And as a self published author, that's critical, because I don't have a publishing house behind me, I don't have a marketing team behind me, I don't have a social media person behind me. I'm doing it all myself. And so setting realistic goals we talked about that setting some realistic goals and having a vision for what this book can do for you, whatever that book is nonfiction fiction.
Speaker 2:I coach nonfiction book writers and I've written it too, but I primarily write fiction. So you know there's ways of interplay, there's ways of marketing beyond just the typical methods that get books out in the hands of readers, that we can learn from both sides, and so my whole goal of my coaching practice is to help women tell their stories, but also help women be successful, however they define that success. So if you just want to sell 10 books, you sell 10 books. What's your next goal? Like, because you're obviously doing something right. So you want to go to two events. You know, just setting these milestones along the way really help, because writing and being an author is a marathon and not a sprint. It's there's. No, the magic that happens is you. You are the magic, you are the creator of the story and you are the one who sells the story. And so you've got to, you've got to be out there, but it you. You got to be a real person too.
Speaker 1:Yes, I feel like that is so important of playing the long game of what is this going to do for me and the connections that you're making? Right, cause it can. It can be easy to get like stuck on that sales and when you make that mean something about you or your writing, then then you're killing your creativity. Like that's it, like it's, you're not going to be able to go back and write another book, if that's really what it. Yeah, if you've tied yourself to that external marker and obviously, like you want to sell books, right, like it's great to get paid for what you love to do, but like how can you, like you said adjacent, like what other things can you kind of play with?
Speaker 1:in that same space, but not necessarily exactly the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe you're just given a story to tell and you tell that story and see where it leads you. I spoke at a conference last week and the lead off speaker, she's a lawyer, but she wrote a book. The book doesn't have anything to do with her legal practice, but I pointed out, I was like if you hire her, if you read her book and then hire her as your lawyer, you know what you're getting. You know what her values are. You know what her, that she lives from integrity. She, you know she has a strong faith. You know, you know about her.
Speaker 2:And so it's what? What does this? What do you want this book to do for you and in the world? And it's got to be more about just the. It's got to be more about the Benjamin, more. It's got to be less about the Benjamins, what that book is doing, and more about what, what kind of impact that book is making. And haven't, like you said, have a long. It's a long game, um, but there are ways to drive revenue beyond just book sales too. So you know, it's like any, it's a business, it's a business y'all. It's author, author what do they say? Authorpreneurship.
Speaker 2:Yes it is.
Speaker 1:And and sometimes you're just like we got to try it and see what happens Right Like it's. It's a game. It's a fun game of experimentation of like what's working, what's not. Okay, it's. It's just, it's just data. Right Like that's, it's not, it's not anything other than that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but she said you said an important word, word, it's gotta be fun. Yeah, I mean, so many people are like, oh God, I post five times a day, I do all of this and I'm using CapCut and I'm doing, you know, like I'm doing all the things on social media and it's not fun. Well then you need to stop, stop doing that if it's not fun and it's not getting anywhere, and reevaluate and reset Again. We talked about this. It may not be the platform for you. I'm Gen X. I love my people. They're on Instagram. They don't really buy books very well, not my books, I haven't found those people yet. Tech Talk they do. Threads oh my God. The book threads community is amazing. I've grown by almost 200 followers since the beginning of the year. It's crazy. So you just have and you got to experiment, you got to be curious and you just you got to keep going and know when to put it down and know when to pick it back up again. But it is, it's a marathon?
Speaker 1:Definitely it is, and I think, going back to that like fun, like just really don't overcomplicate it. I have the habit of falling into the perfectionism thing, especially like social media, I'm like, and in reality, usually the reels or the content that I put the least amount of effort into is what does the best. So that's telling you something, right. Like people like that authentic side of you, right, like it's an opportunity for them to see the behind the scenes. Or if you have something else that you do, as well like they get to see that too. So like that's it's got to be fun, otherwise, like, why, like, why even do it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly A great role model for this. Now she is traditionally published she's not self-published, but Anna Huang, who writes the Twisted Game series and she's been extremely successful. I think she's got like a million followers on TikTok just huge. She built a community where she connected with her readers and that's how she went viral. Again, right place, right time. But she was focused, business wise, on what she was doing. She wasn't just writing to write, she was focused on what her goals were and she's made it happen. And two, she got a lucky break right. That happens sometimes, but she was positioned for it. So you've got to be positioned and have a vision before that quote unquote overnight success happens for you, and now she's got some kind of I don't know if it's a Netflix production deal or something, so you know she's. I guarantee you she's manifesting and that's what she is. She's, she's manifesting and that's what she is, she's, she's focused on what she's trying to do and she's a great role model for it A hundred percent.
Speaker 1:I think that's so. That's such a great point of it's easy to forget now, especially with like the viral videos or whatever, of the amount of behind the scenes work that went into that moment and you're like, wow, oh, my gosh. Like suddenly they're like this overnight success, but I'm like you don't know that they wrote like probably 10 books like before that. And then you go back and you're like how did I not know about this person, right, like it's just sort of a funny how that kind of happens and we can get stuck on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, yeah had like two or three books out before Iron Flame. So I mean, hey, you know you've got to have realistic expectations and you can't. This is social media tip of the day. Don't just try and sell your book every time you're on it. Don't just try and sell your book every time you're on it. Build the community, make the connection that it's a social platform. It is built to make connections with other people, so let them see who you are and create content that they can share. That's fun and then it'll bring people back to you. But again, it's you got to be positioned for when. For when the lightning strikes.
Speaker 1:Yes, definitely, and I think building that network, that community, is like huge and really, just like I love hyping up other authors, I'm like I can't.
Speaker 1:I'm like I can't buy your book because I have too many, but like also, I like I want to. So it's a problem because there's like so many amazing books that are out now. I'm like how can I read all of them? But I will share your book and I will tell you how amazing it sounds and all of this stuff, because, yeah, I know how much work goes into writing and how many tears are shed in the process.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, and because, you know, as a coach, I'm also a dev editor, so I read books for a living as well, and so the books I read for pleasure, I'm extremely picky about those, and so it's not only just about the money, for, you know, for the money you're spending for the books, but you know it's got to be worth my time to read it as well. You're spending for the books, but you know it's gotta be worth my time to read it as well, and um, so yeah, I'm pretty bougie when it comes to books.
Speaker 1:I always was, but it's even more so now that it's, now that it's my, my life. I feel that a hundred percent. I echo that so much. Well, I would love for you to um share sorry, the question like this is the question that I need to ask what would be some advice that you would have for someone who is just starting out their writing journey? I feel like we've probably touched on quite a lot, but I don't know if there's anything else that kind of stood out for you when you first decided to start writing.
Speaker 2:Oh, I had no clue when I first started writing, but I'll tell you now. You know, I'm 15 years into my writing journey, more than 15 years. It is one of those things where I cannot continue to stress having a vision. That vision is going to evolve, that vision is going to change. You're going to grow as a person, a person. But before you just start sitting down to write a book, pondering and contemplating that idea of what do you, what kind of impact do you want this book to have on a reader? What impact do you want it to have on the world? That's what I'm doing with my next book my or the two the adult book I'm writing versus the middle grade book that I'm writing. The two the adult book I'm writing versus the middle grade book that I'm writing it's.
Speaker 2:I know my intention with this book is to just stir the pot and but it's also to give women a different view of what femininity looks like. And so, having that in mind, I know my books are not like the beach reads. I'm not Abby Jimenez. She's a fantastic writer, but I'm not Abby Jimenez and I'm not just cranking them out. My books are geared to make you think they're made. They're, they're there for you to ask questions and for you to go deep, all while reading an entertaining story. And so to answer your question. I know that that's my purpose. What is you brand new writer, what do you want your book to do? And so, putting some thought into that, having that vision, will help craft not only the story you're writing, but how you approach the business side of things. Because if you do want to make a life as an author, even some kind of life, if you want to make some kind of revenue, you got to have a plan for it.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's amazing, that's so true. Right Like having a vision definitely helps with all aspects, especially coming from someone with ADHD. That lack of clarity is a big reason why we're not taking action. So knowing what you're doing, knowing what you want and having not even like all of the steps, but at least some idea of where you're going, helps immensely.
Speaker 2:As a human and as a neuro spicy human, you've got to be focused on the purpose, otherwise it's just like open the, open the window and chunk it out.
Speaker 1:Definitely I feel that, and sometimes books are like that.
Speaker 2:Not every book is meant to be published. Some are just learning. I can't tell you how many manuscripts I started on before I actually finished. So you know, you gotta. You gotta find your voice, and that's a process too.
Speaker 1:Yes, it definitely takes time, and writing is really the best way to do that, so just just writing. Amazing. Well, how can people find you and connect with you and your books and all of the other amazing services that you have available?
Speaker 2:All right. Well, the easy answer is my website. It's amywvogelcom, so A-M-Y-W-V-O-G-E-Lcom, and I've got connections for authors on there, I've got connections for people who want coaching and, of course, I've got my books on there. All of my books are currently on Amazon and I am taking my Teleosis and the Assist, the romance that I didn't talk too much about, but I'm taking those wide this year. So, but for now, everything's on Amazon and in Kindle Unlimited.
Speaker 1:Amazing. Well, everything will be linked to the show notes so it'll be super easy for people to click through and find you, and we will definitely keep those updated when or if anything changes and people can have more options to find your book. So it was lovely chatting with you. I feel like I learned so much.
Speaker 2:Good, well, you know, conversations are fun and we told a lot of stories, and that's the whole point.
Speaker 1:Yes, 100%. It is definitely my favorite part of this job is connecting with, just connecting with people.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. Well, thank you so much for the opportunity. I'm very grateful, victoria.
Speaker 1:Thanks so much for listening to today's episode. I would love if you would leave a review and also if you loved the author that we chatted with, go find them on social media and hype them up, comment on their stuff, share their work, even if you can't buy the book, these kind of things are great ways of supporting indie authors and getting their book in front of new readers. And if you are a writer or author in need of a developmental editor, please reach out. I would love to chat. Everything is linked in the show notes and it would be an absolute honor to be able to get eyes on your novel. So thanks again and listen to the next episode.
